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name: knife-making
description: |
  Comprehensive knife making guide covering stock removal and forging methods, steel selection including 1084, O1, and 80CrV2, heat treatment processes, grinding bevels, handle materials and construction, sheath making, finishing techniques, and safety practices. Use when the user asks about knife making or needs help with related topics. Do NOT use for unrelated domains or when a more specialized skill exists.
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# Knife Making

## When to Use


## Process

1. **Gather requirements.** Ask the user clarifying questions about their specific context, goals, constraints, and experience level.

2. **Analyze the situation.** Review the information provided and identify key factors, challenges, and opportunities relevant to knife making.

3. **Develop the framework.** Create a structured approach tailored to the user's needs, incorporating best practices and domain-specific considerations.

4. **Deliver actionable output.** Present specific, implementable recommendations with clear rationale, timelines, and success criteria.

5. **Address edge cases.** Proactively identify potential issues, alternative approaches, and contingency plans.

**Use this skill when:**
- User needs guidance on knife making
- User asks about knife making best practices or techniques
- User wants a structured approach to knife making

**Do NOT use this skill when:**
- A more specialized skill exists for the specific subtopic
- The request is outside the scope of knife making
## Questions to Ask First

Before providing guidance, establish the maker's situation:

1. What is your experience level? (Never made a knife, some metalwork, experienced)
2. Which method interests you? (Stock removal or forging)
3. What type of knife do you want to make? (Kitchen, hunting, EDC, bushcraft, fillet)
4. What tools and equipment do you have?
5. Do you have access to heat treatment equipment?
6. What is your budget for this project?
7. Do you have metalworking experience? (Grinding, welding, forging)
8. What is your workspace situation?
9. Are you interested in making one knife or getting into the craft?
10. Do you have experience with any related crafts? (Woodworking, leatherwork)

## Stock Removal vs. Forging

### Stock Removal Method (Recommended for Beginners)
```
WHAT IT IS:
  Starting with flat bar stock (steel in a flat bar shape)
  and grinding away material to create the knife shape.
  No forge, no anvil, no hammering required.
PROCESS OVERVIEW:
  1. Design knife profile on paper
  2. Transfer design to steel bar stock
  3. Cut out profile (angle grinder, band saw, or hacksaw)
  4. Drill handle pin holes
  5. Grind bevels (create the edge geometry)
  6. Heat treat (harden and temper)
  7. Finish grinding and sanding
  8. Make and attach handle
  9. Sharpen
  10. Make sheath
EQUIPMENT NEEDED:
  Minimum:
  [ ] Angle grinder (4.5") with flap discs and cut-off wheels
  [ ] Files (mill bastard, half-round, needle files)
  [ ] Drill and drill bits
  [ ] Sandpaper (80 through 600 grit)
  [ ] Clamps and vise
  [ ] Safety glasses, gloves, ear protection, dust mask
  Better:
  [ ] Belt grinder (2x72" is the standard for knife making)
  [ ] Band saw (for cutting profiles)
  [ ] Drill press
  [ ] Heat treatment setup (or send out to professional)
ADVANTAGES:
  - Lower startup cost
  - Fewer tools required
  - Easier to learn
  - More precise and consistent results for beginners
  - Can use steels that are difficult to forge
```

### Forging Method
```
WHAT IT IS:
  Heating steel in a forge and shaping it with hammer and anvil.
  The traditional method of knife making.
PROCESS OVERVIEW:
  1. Heat steel to forging temperature (bright orange/yellow, ~1800-2100F)
  2. Hammer to rough shape (profile, taper, tang)
  3. Normalize (heat cycles to relieve stress from forging)
  4. Refine profile with grinding
  5. Grind bevels
  6. Heat treat (harden and temper)
  7. Finish and handle
EQUIPMENT NEEDED:
  [ ] Forge (gas forge $200-$500, or build a charcoal forge for less)
  [ ] Anvil (minimum 50 lbs, ideally 100+ lbs)
  [ ] Hammer (2-3 lb cross pein)
  [ ] Tongs (various sizes)
  [ ] Quench tank (for heat treatment)
  [ ] Belt grinder (still needed for finish work)
  [ ] Fire extinguisher
  [ ] Proper ventilation
ADVANTAGES:
  - More creative expression
  - Can create complex shapes
  - Traditional craft and skill development
  - Damascus steel patterns possible
  - Deeply satisfying and meditative
DISADVANTAGES:
  - Higher startup cost
  - Steeper learning curve
  - More physically demanding
  - Requires more space
  - Fire safety concerns
```

## Steel Selection

### Beginner-Friendly Steels
```
1084 HIGH CARBON STEEL:
  Carbon: 0.84%
  Category: Simple carbon steel
  Difficulty: Easiest steel to heat treat
  Heat treatment: Very forgiving of errors
  Edge retention: Good
  Toughness: Very good
  Corrosion: Rusts (requires maintenance)
  Forgeability: Excellent
  Source: New Jersey Steel Baron, Alpha Knife Supply
  Thickness: 1/8" (3mm) for most knives, 3/16" for larger
  Heat Treatment for 1084:
    Normalize: 1575F, air cool (3 cycles)
    Harden: 1475F, quench in warm Parks #50 or canola oil
    Temper: 400F for 2 hours (twice) - 59-60 HRC
O1 TOOL STEEL:
  Carbon: 0.95%
  Category: Oil-hardening tool steel
  Difficulty: Easy to heat treat
  Heat treatment: Slightly less forgiving than 1084
  Edge retention: Very good
  Toughness: Good
  Corrosion: Rusts (requires maintenance)
  Forgeability: Good (not as easy as 1084)
  Available as precision-ground flat stock (easy to work with)
  Heat Treatment for O1:
    Normalize: 1500F, air cool (3 cycles)
    Harden: 1475F, soak 10-15 minutes, quench in oil
    Temper: 400F for 1 hour (twice) - 60-61 HRC
80CrV2 (Similar to L6):
  Carbon: 0.80%, plus chromium and vanadium
  Category: Alloyed carbon steel
  Difficulty: Moderate
  Edge retention: Very good
  Toughness: Excellent (one of the toughest knife steels)
  Corrosion: Rusts but develops attractive patina
  Forgeability: Excellent
  Increasingly popular among professional makers
  Heat Treatment for 80CrV2:
    Normalize: 1600F, air cool (3 cycles)
    Harden: 1525F, soak 10 minutes, quench in oil
    Temper: 400F for 1 hour (twice) - 60-61 HRC
```

### Advanced Steels Reference
```
STAINLESS/SEMI-STAINLESS:
  AEB-L / 13C26: Excellent kitchen knife steel, thin edge capable
  CPM 154: Good all-around stainless, moderate difficulty
  CPM S35VN: Premium EDC steel, excellent edge retention
  CPM MagnaCut: Newest premium, best balance of properties

DAMASCUS:
  Billets of alternating steel types (e.g., 1084 + 15N20)
  Welded together at forging temperature, folded and drawn out
  Creates distinctive layered patterns
  ADVANCED: Requires forge welding skills and experience
  Beginner: Buy pre-made Damascus billets and do stock removal
```

## Heat Treatment

### Heat Treatment Process (Carbon Steel)
```
SAFETY:
  - Work in a ventilated area
  - Wear safety glasses and heat-resistant gloves
  - Have fire extinguisher nearby
  - Quench oil can flash - use a container taller than the blade
  - Never quench near flammable materials
  - Hot metal looks the same as cold metal - treat everything as hot
STEP 1: NORMALIZING (Stress Relief)
  Purpose: Refine grain structure from forging or grinding
  Process:
STEP 2: HARDENING (Quench)
  Purpose: Transform steel to martensite (hard but brittle)
  Process:
      1084, 80CrV2, O1: Quench in oil (Parks #50, canola, or ATF)
      W2, W1: Water quench (more risk of warping/cracking)
  QUENCH OIL TEMPERATURE:
    Parks #50: 120-140F (warm it before use)
    Canola oil: 120-130F
    Oil volume: At least 2 gallons per blade
  TEST: After quench, the blade should be glass-hard
STEP 3: TEMPERING (Toughness)
  Purpose: Reduce brittleness while maintaining useful hardness
  Process:
  TEMPERING CHART (Approximate for 1084):
  RULE: Kitchen knives = higher hardness (thinner, more fragile)
SEND-OUT HEAT TREATMENT:
  If you don't have equipment, send blades to:
  - Peters Heat Treating
  - Texas Knifemaker Supply (also sells steel)
  - Paul Bos
  Cost: $25-$50 per blade (well worth it for consistent results)
```

## Grinding Bevels

### Bevel Geometry
```
BEVEL TYPES:
  FLAT GRIND:
    Profile: Straight taper from spine to edge
    Characteristics: Good slicer, easy to sharpen, most versatile
    Most common grind for beginners

  CONVEX GRIND:
    Profile: Rounded, axe-like cross-section
    Characteristics: Very strong, excellent for chopping
    More difficult to grind and sharpen consistently

  SCANDI GRIND:
    Profile: Single bevel from mid-blade to edge, no secondary bevel
    Characteristics: Easy to sharpen in the field, good woodworking
    Easy to grind for beginners

  HOLLOW GRIND:
    Profile: Concave curve (from contact wheel on grinder)
    Characteristics: Thin behind the edge, excellent slicer
    Creates thin, delicate edge geometry

GRIND LINES:
  Full flat: Grind extends from edge to spine
  High flat: Grind extends 3/4 up the blade
  Mid flat: Grind extends 1/2 up the blade
```

### Grinding Process
```
EQUIPMENT:
  2x72 belt grinder: The standard knife-making tool
  Belt selection:
    36-60 grit: Heavy material removal, establishing bevels
    80-120 grit: Refining bevels, evening surface
    220-400 grit: Pre-heat treatment finish
    400-800 grit: Post heat treatment finishing
    1000+: Mirror finish (optional)

  Budget alternative: Angle grinder with flap discs + files

GRINDING BEVELS (Flat Grind):
  1. Mark center line on the edge with marker (visual guide)
  2. Mark grind line on both sides of the blade (where the bevel stops)
  3. Start with 36 grit belt, light pressure
  4. Grind in smooth passes, even pressure, consistent angle
  5. Work both sides equally (alternate every few passes)
  6. Check frequently with a straight edge and caliper
  7. Do NOT grind the edge thin before heat treatment
     - Leave edge at dime-thickness (~1.2mm) before heat treat
     - Thin edge will warp or crack during quench
  8. After heat treatment, grind edge to final thinness
  9. Progress through grits: 60 → 120 → 220 → 400

GRINDING TIPS:
  - Let the belt do the work (light pressure)
  - Keep the blade cool (quench in water bucket frequently)
  - Overheating during grinding can ruin heat treatment
  - Grind at consistent angle by maintaining body position
  - Remove marker/Dykem frequently to check progress
  - Symmetry is the goal: both sides should match
```

## Handle Materials

### Material Options
```
WOOD (Most Popular):
  Stabilized wood: Impregnated with resin, won't shrink/swell
    Best types: Burl maple, walnut, spalted, dyed
    Source: Arizona Ironwood, K&G Finish Supplies
  Natural wood: Must be sealed well, can move with humidity
    Good choices: Walnut, cherry, maple, cocobolo, ironwood, ebony
  Price: $5-$50 per scale set

MICARTA:
  Layers of linen, canvas, or paper bonded with resin
  Extremely durable, won't absorb water, grippy when wet
  Available in many colors
  Excellent for outdoor/kitchen knives
  Price: $10-$25 per scale set

G10:
  Fiberglass and resin composite
  Very strong, lightweight, texturable
  Available in many colors and patterns
  Price: $5-$15 per scale set

NATURAL MATERIALS:
  Antler/bone: Traditional, beautiful, each piece unique
  Horn: Buffalo, cow (must be stabilized)
  Stag: Classic hunting knife handle material
  Leather stacked: Discs of leather stacked and shaped
  Cork: Lightweight, grip when wet (fishing knives)

SYNTHETIC:
  Carbon fiber: Lightweight, high-tech appearance
  Kirinite (acrylic): Colorful, easy to work, polishes beautifully
  Elforyn (ivory substitute): Ethical alternative to ivory
```

### Handle Construction
```
FULL TANG (Scales):
  Handle scales are attached to either side of the tang
  Most common and strongest construction
  Requires: Handle material, pins or bolts, epoxy
  Process:
  1. Rough-cut two matching handle scales
  2. Flatten the gluing surface on sandpaper (on flat surface)
  3. Drill pin holes through tang (if not already done)
  4. Use tang as template to drill matching holes in scales
  5. Rough-shape scales to slightly oversized
  6. Mix slow-cure epoxy (30-minute or longer)
  7. Apply epoxy to tang and inside of scales
  8. Insert pins through both scales and tang
  9. Clamp firmly and evenly, wipe excess epoxy
  10. Let cure 24 hours minimum
  11. Grind/sand handle to final shape
  12. Sand progressively: 80 → 120 → 220 → 400 → 600 (→ 800 for wood)
  13. Apply finish (oil, wax, or CA glue for stabilized wood)
HIDDEN TANG (Through-tang):
  Tang extends through a single-piece handle block
  Secured with pommel (nut, cap, or peened)
  Common for: Chef's knives, Japanese-style, hunting knives
  Process:
  1. Drill hole through handle block (or slot for rectangular tang)
  2. Epoxy tang into handle
  3. For through-tang: Peen or thread and nut on end
  4. Shape handle after attachment
PIN MATERIALS:
  Brass rod: 1/8" or 3/16" diameter, classic look
  Stainless rod: 1/8" or 3/16", modern look
  Mosaic pins: Decorative, multiple materials in a pattern
  Corby bolts: Threaded bolts that screw together through handle
  Loveless bolts: Two-piece threaded fasteners (removable handle)
```

## Sheath Making

### Leather Sheath (Most Common)
```
BASIC POUCH SHEATH:
  Material: 7-8 oz vegetable-tanned leather

  Process:
  1. Trace knife profile on paper, add 1/4" clearance all around
  2. Add belt loop design to pattern
  3. Cut leather (one piece, folded, or two pieces)
  4. Wet-form leather around the knife (wrapped in plastic to protect)
  5. Let dry partially
  6. Punch stitch holes along edge
  7. Saddle stitch with waxed thread
  8. Add snap or retention strap
  9. Wet-form again for final fit if needed
  10. Dye and finish leather
  11. Apply leather sealant/conditioner

RETENTION OPTIONS:
  - Friction fit (tight fit alone holds knife)
  - Snap strap across handle
  - Kydex insert for retention with leather shell
  - Welt (extra strip between front and back for blade protection)

SHEATH SAFETY:
  The blade should NOT be able to cut through the stitching
  Use a welt (spacer) between front and back near the edge
  Test retention: Turn upside down and shake vigorously
  The knife should NOT fall out
```

### Kydex Sheath
```
MATERIAL: Kydex thermoformed plastic (0.080" typical thickness)

PROCESS:
  1. Cut Kydex sheet larger than needed
  2. Heat to forming temperature (350F) in oven or heat gun
  3. Place knife (wrapped in tape for protection) between two sheets
  4. Press in a foam press (or between foam blocks with clamps)
  5. Let cool completely while pressed
  6. Trim excess with tin snips, sand edges smooth
  7. Drill holes for eyelets/rivets
  8. Install eyelets and belt clip attachment
  9. Test retention (should click in and out)
  10. Adjust retention by heating and pressing if needed

ADVANTAGES:
  Waterproof, very durable, consistent retention
  Lower skill requirement than leather
  Fast to make once you have the process down
```

## Finishing

### Blade Finishing Options
```
SATIN FINISH:
  Sand to 400-600 grit in one direction (lengthwise)
  Clean, professional appearance
  Easiest finish for beginners

MIRROR POLISH:
  Sand progressively: 220 → 400 → 600 → 800 → 1000 → 1500 → 2000
  Final polish with metal polishing compound on buffer
  Time-consuming but stunning result
  Shows every scratch in use

STONEWASH:
  Tumble blade with abrasive media (stones, ceramic, gravel)
  In a tumbler or by hand in a container
  Creates matte, scratch-hiding finish
  Great for use-knives (hides wear)

ACID ETCH:
  Submerge in ferric chloride solution (available from electronics suppliers)
  Creates dark, contrasting finish
  Reveals Damascus patterns
  Follow with neutralizing bath (baking soda and water)
  Time: 5-15 minutes depending on desired darkness

FORCED PATINA:
  Apply mustard, vinegar, or coffee to carbon steel blade
  Creates decorative patterns
  Also provides light corrosion protection

CERAKOTE:
  Ceramic-based coating, applied and baked
  Very durable, many colors available
  Professional application recommended
```

### Handle Finishing
```
WOOD HANDLES:
  Sand to 600-800 grit minimum
  Options:
  - Tung oil (natural, food-safe, multiple coats)
  - Danish oil (penetrating, easy application)
  - CA glue finish (superglue rubbed on, polished - very durable)
  - Tru-Oil (gun stock finish, beautiful, durable)
  - Renaissance Wax (final protective coat)

MICARTA / G10:
  Sand to 400-600 grit
  Can be left matte (grippy) or polished
  No finish needed (material is already sealed)
  Sanding to higher grits brings out color and depth

GENERAL:
  Round all handle edges for comfort (no sharp corners)
  Test grip: Hold knife in cutting position for 30 seconds
  Pressure points indicate areas that need more rounding
```

## Safety
```
SHOP SAFETY RULES:
  1. Always wear safety glasses when grinding or cutting
  2. Wear hearing protection with grinders
  3. Wear dust mask or respirator (metal dust is hazardous)
  4. Keep fingers away from grinding belts and wheels
  5. Secure workpieces in vise before filing or grinding
  6. Never catch a falling knife (step back and let it drop)
  7. When testing sharpness, use controlled cuts on paper, not fingers
  8. Keep first aid kit with quick-clot and butterfly bandages
  9. Heat-resistant gloves for forge and heat treatment work
  10. Proper ventilation for all grinding, forging, and chemical work

HEAT TREATMENT SAFETY:
  - Quench oil can ignite - use a tall, narrow container with a lid
  - Have a fire extinguisher within reach
  - Never quench with water if oil is expected (steam explosion risk)
  - Hot metal looks identical to cold metal - always assume hot
  - Leather gloves for handling hot steel

SHARPENING:
  Sharpen away from your body
  Secure sharpening stones
  Mind your fingers' position relative to the edge
  A sharp knife is safer than a dull one (less force needed)
```

## Common Mistakes to Avoid

1. Grinding the edge too thin before heat treatment (warps or cracks during quench)
2. Not normalizing before hardening (coarse grain, brittle blade)
3. Quenching at wrong temperature (blade doesn't harden, or cracks)
4. Skipping the second temper cycle (metal structure isn't fully transformed)
5. Overheating during post-heat-treatment grinding (softens the hardened edge)
6. Not testing heat treatment result with a file (verify hardness before finishing)
7. Using unstabilized wood for handles (shrinks and cracks over time)
8. Epoxying handle scales without ensuring surfaces are flat and clean
9. Not drilling pin holes before heat treatment (hardened steel is very difficult to drill)
10. Trying to make a complex knife design as your first project (start simple, learn skills)


## Output Format

Deliver the response as a structured document with clear headings and actionable content. Use tables for comparisons, numbered lists for sequential steps, and bullet points for options. Include specific examples where applicable.

```
[Knife Making deliverable]
1. Context and objectives
2. Analysis or framework
3. Specific recommendations with rationale
4. Action items with timeline
```


## Example

**Input:** "Help me with knife making for a mid-size project."

**Output:** A complete knife making framework tailored to the specific context, with actionable steps, relevant considerations, and measurable outcomes.


## Edge Cases

- **Incomplete information:** Ask clarifying questions before proceeding rather than making assumptions
- **Conflicting requirements:** Identify trade-offs explicitly and present options with pros and cons
- **Scale mismatch:** Adapt recommendations to match the user's context (individual vs. team vs. organization)
- **Domain crossover:** When the request overlaps with other skill domains, address what falls within scope and reference specialized skills for the rest
