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[–]ACE_Wrap 886 points887 points  (147 children)

As long as a few basic needs - like food and water - are secured, nothing much. Once that stops though, all options are on the table.

[–]stop_deleting_plz 467 points468 points  (76 children)

Well the billionaires need a trillion gallons of water to cool their shiny new surveillance centers, so it might be more likely than you think!

[–]idiocy_incarnate [score hidden]  (26 children)

with a little bit of foresight they would build the data centers on the coast, use seawater for cooling, and the heat generated by the data center to both desalinate the seawater and recover salt and minerals from it.

Fat chance of that though, it requires a longer term view that is not compatible with quarterly profit reports.

[–]ShortWoman [score hidden]  (6 children)

Real estate on the coast is too expensive and we wouldn't want the wealthy to have that too close by.

[–]tsunamikidd62 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Gosh that would be just terrrrrrible if a data center were to be built right next to rich neighborhoods….

[–]gorpie97 [score hidden]  (1 child)

China is building them in the ocean, just like we build oil drilling platforms.

[–]Temelios [score hidden]  (0 children)

You act like the San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Astoria, and Seattle areas are the only coastal real estate. The Pacific coastline is massive and has tons of cheap property that the idea is pretty feasible so long as you look in places like Eureka or Coos Bay.

[–]Dr_Pants7 [score hidden]  (4 children)

Plus that requires putting resources into science. We can’t do that, science is just a liberal hoax.

[–]DennisTheBald [score hidden]  (0 children)

Some civ that thought in terms of several generations rather than a couple terms might. But a stable genius wouldn't care that much about getting water to the serfs

[–]Proper_Individual578 [score hidden]  (1 child)

nd the heat generated by the data center to both desalinate the seawater and recover salt and minerals from it.

Do these AI chips run hot enough for that, or does desalination work at lower temps than I think it does? Most PC hardware doesn't like temps anywhere near hot enough to boil water

[–]PipChaos [score hidden]  (0 children)

The coast is where they built their mansions.

[–]Dreaunicorn [score hidden]  (0 children)

I’ve thought about this too but salt is a problem for steel and electronics in general.

[–]Sportsfan369 33 points34 points  (18 children)

Enough people don’t talk about the water scarcity that’s upcoming. Water will become more of a commodity. If you have access to free and clean water now, I’d suggest start filling up bottles.

[–]awkwardmamasloth 12 points13 points  (16 children)

If you have access to free and clean water now, I’d suggest start filling up bottles.

Yea but you cant drink that unless its sanitized and stored properly. I k ow theres a process for treating it but idk what that is.

[–]amateurbreditor [score hidden]  (9 children)

in an emergency take 2 large kettles and put a clean cloth at a 45 degree angle. The water goes in the one and the slant goes into the other. The water boils from a fire under it or whatever you have and the steam hits the cloth and forms water and drops into the cloth. Perfect sterile water every time.

[–]BigUptokes [score hidden]  (6 children)

The cloth method is good for filtering particulate but I wouldn't call it perfectly sterile, especially in an emergency situation.

[–]InNominePasta [score hidden]  (0 children)

Invest in a bunch of Sawyer filters. Then you just need fresh water, regardless of how clean it is. Streams, puddles, whatever

[–]Masterofnone9 [score hidden]  (2 children)

Great "The Water Wars".

[–]kloiberin_time 98 points99 points  (44 children)

Add gas to that list. How many people are reliant on cars to get food? Or goes beyond just driving to the grocery store or walmart. What happens when the price of bread is 30 bucks a loaf because there's no gas to ship it.

Walmart, Costco, Kroger, and Aldi dominate groceries. Sure, there are some franchise Price Choppers or whatever, but most of America buys their food at massive chains. What happens when Walmart can't ship it to Suburban and rural America?

[–]traveldogmom13 43 points44 points  (3 children)

I believe there are some instances in history where this had happened before. It didn’t end well

[–]tulsym 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Let them eat cake

[–]fencer1119 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Little red cookbook

[–]NoAngel815 17 points18 points  (1 child)

All food is reliant on gas/diesel, farmers won't be able to plow, plant, or harvest their crops because all farm machines run on diesel, as well as the trucks that all food is shipped on.

[–]Pretend-Marsupial258 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Synthetic fertilizer is completely dependent on fossil fuels as well.

[–]LetterheadNo7323 [score hidden]  (1 child)

I don’t understand why our shit politicians are so shortsighted. Can’t go to war over sunlight. Well, I know it’s about money so I guess I can’t understand how they could possibly be so greedy and craven.

[–]whatamidoing71 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Walmart will always be able to, but will they? (Gotta hold on to those sweet sweet billions…)

[–]thetechguyv 13 points14 points  (10 children)

Personal cars that you own are 100% going to become a luxury item in the next 20 years.

Robo taxis on subscription are the future. 

[–]3-2-1-backup 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Pipe down Elon, nobody believes your horeshit anymore.

[–]f8Negative 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Not in rural anywhere. Unfeasible pipedream.

[–]FormBitter4234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Everything has been moving to the subscription model and there are already monthly (non-musk) car rental services in large cities for people who only need a car on occasion so I can totally see this happening especially as vehicles get more expensive.

[–]mikepi1999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a fact. The insurance companies are going to force the issue.

[–]YouArentReallyThere 1 point2 points  (3 children)

We live in a world of cars. Economies are dependent upon it and everything else that goes with it. Things won’t get so expensive or disrupted to where that gets affected too much.

[–]Unhappy-Homework-812 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If it comes down to apocalyptic times without cars we build communes and grow food. Pretty basic survival if they really gotta ask. 

[–]askthepeanutgallery [score hidden]  (0 children)

How many of us can even keep houseplants alive?

[–]Jaereth [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yup. Auto, Medical, Banking, Construction, Big Tech, etc.

These are the "great houses" of the US now and the respective oligarchs aren't going to let their money machines get disrupted.

[–]Ki-to-Life-5054 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If working people all have to move to cities, corporations will have to let people work remotely so that office space can be repurposed as housing. People will think they are doing ok. Then, our govt will sell off farmland to the Chinese and for data centers. Depopulating rural areas will make someone money. It will be the beginning of those hellscapes we see in scifi movies.

[–]jammythesandwich 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This and a black economy will sprout wings alongside rises in civil unrest and organised crime

It’s not going to be pretty thats for sure

[–]Dear-me113 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Bread and circuses?

[–]sambeau 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Ordinary people are priced out of the circuses. Ticketmaster saw to that.

Meanwhile Netflix et al are doing the same to watching the circuses on a screen.

The oligarchy aren’t thinking it through. They do not want a hungry bored populace.

The Romans understood this; the French royalty did not.

[–]paigeguy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Scooter races and sex parties.

"Beggars in Spain" - Nancy Kress

[–]Ricky_the_Wizard 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Maslow's strikes again!

[–]Marmaduke_Nelly 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why do you think all these billionaires are building bunkers?

[–]Polarbrine 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"all options are on the table" is a very polite way to say guillotines

[–]tractorpatty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Desperation = control if done correctly as mentioned above.

[–]Fungiblefaith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

4 missed meals from eating the rich.

[–]Maketjgreatagain [score hidden]  (0 children)

We will see Klarna and affirm available at McDonald’s and yet not see anything wrong with it.

[–]jeexbit [score hidden]  (1 child)

I think loss of tv/internet could do it too.

[–]Only_Employer5690 312 points313 points  (15 children)

It usually builds slowly: higher debt, shared housing, delayed independence, and more reliance on support systems. Over time, it can also drive political pressure for policy changes.

[–]OneEarthtoShare 119 points120 points  (6 children)

I"ve been seeing all of these things happening

[–]qrseek 75 points76 points  (2 children)

For like, 20 years so far

[–]karenw 43 points44 points  (1 child)

At least. I'm 55 and have been watching the decline since Reagan.

[–]ShortWoman [score hidden]  (0 children)

And I've been watching in parallel as the Republicans turned less interested in negotiation that wasn't "do it our way" and the Democrats kept falling into their traps.

[–]DeterrenceTheory [score hidden]  (1 child)

Around me, there are more and more local zoning changes that are allowing residential property owners to tear down single family homes and build a number of tiny units on the property. The zoning changes were made in the name of creating affordable housing, but what ends up happening is the tiny units get priced each at nearly the same level as the original larger house.

[–]MrMotorcycle94 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Any day now then?

[–]popsicle_of_meat [score hidden]  (1 child)

And if the change is slow enough, the people don't revolt. They just accept it. The US will become a 3rd world country with some billionaires scattered around in secure sites.

[–]ArticleInteresting13 [score hidden]  (0 children)

we are basically seeing this happen right now. It feels like everyone I know has roommates or is stuck living with their parents.

[–]IamDDT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember visiting Mary King's close in Edinburgh. There is a lot poor people will put up with, unfortunately.

[–]DefinitelyRussian [score hidden]  (0 children)

some countries are already like that, so nothing new

[–]_Christopher_Crypto 246 points247 points  (13 children)

What we saw in 2008 was many threw in the towel, stole what they could and punted. Seriously I watched otherwise good people strip the inside of their house bare, cabinets, lights, doors, appliances, and leave the shell for the repo. Moved it all to a cheaper residence and built that with the good stuff. Point is, many will just say F’it, quit their job and stop trying. Then the top feels the pain and things get interesting.

[–]_Christopher_Crypto 118 points119 points  (7 children)

Saw one case where a former owner refused to leave their repossessed house. The new owner was forced to pay them a lump sum of cash or risk the former destroying the residence. By this time the bank was out of the picture, squatter’s rights kept law enforcement from doing anything prior to a notification period.

[–]Potential_Figure4061 32 points33 points  (4 children)

thats why people are usually thrown out of repos before it goes up for sale

[–]_Christopher_Crypto 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Banks have better things to worry about. Houses were being resold within hrs of being repossessed. That and repo’s at that time were not one offs. Banks were dealing with hundreds/thousands at a time.

[–]PowermanFriendship 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Back then there could have been some underlying chain-of-ownership problems that allowed the squatting to continue. I was friends with a married couple who lived in a $1M home in 2009 and stopped paying the mortgage when one of them got laid off, because the bank no longer had enough original documentation on hand to prove who actually owned the house. Their lawyer was able to drag the process out for a good 5 years IIRC, before their situation improved and then they just moved into a nice apartment. I don't believe their credit was even affected in the end and I seem to recall this being a tactic that quite a number of people were able to employ to avoid eviction. (Yes, this was in Florida.)

[–]Nearbyatom 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The problem is the top is so insulated they won't feel the pain.

[–]Unhappy-Homework-812 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You’d be surprised. All their wealth is in stocks. 

[–]theslimbox [score hidden]  (0 children)

People are so much smarter than 2008 now though.

In 2008, i was making good money because every Pawnshop had so much inventory they were selling it for half of what I could sell it on ebay for. People were selling items to Pawnshops for next to nothing to get a little money. Most people now know they can get more by selling items themselves.

There are still people with no financial sense out there, but harder times are making people smarter.

[–]Admirable-Strike-311 111 points112 points  (13 children)

There are historical examples where the lower class basically sells themselves into servitude to either the government or the rich.

[–]AshamedOfMyTypos 89 points90 points  (3 children)

Top 10% of households account for 50% of spending. We’re there, fam. That’s what working a service job is just with the added seasoning of bootstrap capitalism.

[–]roodammy44 34 points35 points  (2 children)

It’s your fault you’re poor, but also if you inherited $100m you will never have to work a day and you will continue to get richer forever.

[–]Wurm42 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Second this. We're headed toward an indenture system.

You work for one of a handful of mega-corporations. You live in a company apartment, shop at a company store, and you can only leave if you can pay off your debt to the company...which will never happen.

[–]Unhappy-Homework-812 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Only way out of that is to find a way to generate money yourself and live frugally. Find a NEED in the world and fill it so people do not need to rely on giant corporations. That is the ONLY way out or back. 

[–]SlinkyAdmiral 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or crime.

[–]putin_my_ass 14 points15 points  (4 children)

There are historical examples where the lower class removes the parasite classes. Capitally.

[–]GoatSage777 137 points138 points  (20 children)

A lot of redditor fantasy in these comments.

The truth is that whatever happens won't be cinematic like some dystopian young adult movie nor like anything hundreds of years ago, especially in major first world countries.

[–]Rapidzigs 63 points64 points  (5 children)

Yup most likely things will get bad enough that people start yelling about. That will cause a stop gap short term relief measure by the government which will quiet everyone down for a bit. Rinse and repeat.

[–]Konzacrafter 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Everyone looks to France as the example for “get shit done” protesting, but this is exactly what plays out there.

[–]Lbailey32 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You have a great point, and I know France is incredibly different than the United States buuuut they do have strong worker protections, maternity leave, nationalized healthcare, required PTO, good public transportation and those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head that I WISH the US had.

[–]Gsusruls [score hidden]  (3 children)

reddit has deeply romanticized notions of revolution.

Revolution is ugly. Revolution kills. Revolution ends everything you have. It changes the landscape, the whole landscape. And in all likelihood, you might not be here on the other side. Generally, revolution isn't for you and your benefit; it's for your grandkids.

[–]DirtyRoller 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The lower classes will turn on each other, the middle classes will also feel the repercussions. The upper class will watch from their ivory towers.

[–]Unhappy-Homework-812 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Families will move back in together, possibly multiple families. Start small communes; grow food. There’s already many in the US and all other parts of the world that are 800% worse than the US. people better learn survival and fast 

[–]Zvenigora 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is not enough land to make that work with modern population levels. Subsistence farming is vastly less productive than the industrial farming that supports modern society.

[–]AmericanScream [score hidden]  (0 children)

If history is any indication, the worse the economy gets, inevitably someone starts a war and that becomes a more important focus, or at least the scapegoat for why so many people are without so much.

[–]Dramatic_Movies 127 points128 points  (12 children)

The scary part is that people don’t collapse all at once — they slowly stop participating. 😞

[–]Shadbolt 32 points33 points  (10 children)

yeah my cousin stopped buying groceries first then just stayed home

[–]Nope_______ 16 points17 points  (5 children)

He just doesn't eat?

[–]False_Perspective854 34 points35 points  (4 children)

What do you think happens when you have no money?

[–]Nope_______ 14 points15 points  (2 children)

So he's dead then? Idk people usually get some benefits or start stealing or panhandling to survive rather than starve to death in their home

[–]ExpertExpert [score hidden]  (1 child)

benefits

sir, this is america

[–]Sea_Particular9266 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You become an incel and post relentlessly on reddit

[–]Unhappy-Homework-812 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I did that like 6 months ago. I buy a loaf of bread, ham, grow lettuce and tomato. maybe buy 2 boxes of noodles, milk and bananas. Set for the week 

[–]Loki-L 24 points25 points  (0 children)

They go into debt and the debt gets sold on as an investment and then they can't pay and the people who invested in the debt also can't pay anymore and the government bails out billionaires with money future generations will have to pay in taxes.

[–]wastingtoomuchthyme 49 points50 points  (4 children)

There's examples of this around the world.

You'll have beautiful neighborhoods and favellas and a lot of crime. There will be a lot of homeless people and many people living in micro/cage apartments like they do in Hong Kong. People will scrape by with service jobs or micro factories like in India.

As long as they are fed... When populations start going hungry is when you get revolution... Which often makes things worse.

[–]Unhappy-Homework-812 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yep no one ever talks about Japan and their coffin homes. It’s already been happening around the world for 45 years. 

[–]RUKiddingMeReddit [score hidden]  (0 children)

That has more to due with urban density than poverty.

[–]ElHeim 141 points142 points  (36 children)

Look at what happened in the past .

Just make sure you're not part of the 1% (or look like it) when that happens

[–]Pirate_Princess_87 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Depends. There are examples from the past where there was a violent revolution to overthrow the ruling class. There have also been examples from history where the peasants just quietly starved to death.

[–]iamtehryan 7 points8 points  (1 child)

One of these is definitely better than the other.

[–]09232022 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The only one that follows within reddit TOS though is peasants starving to death. That tracks. 

[–]porgy_tirebiter 122 points123 points  (15 children)

There are countries all over the world that have long had a large poor underclass, and no violent revolution at all. It’s not 1% mega rich and 99% desperately poor, but still there are huge, sprawling slums and townships and favelas. That’s what it’ll be in the US, and everyone will accept it like they do in Brazil and India and the Philippines and South Africa. There will be no uprising against the haves.

[–]petitecrivain 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Brazil eventually kicked out their military regime. They have a huge labor movement and saw a leftist wave in the 2000s and again more recently. The Philippines has a lot of issues but back when it was significantly worse in the 1980s they put their foot down and ousted Marcos. 

[–]porgy_tirebiter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not exactly violent revolution eating the rich like OP suggested though. The shockingly huge and awful slums are still there. I hope things will improve. All I’m saying is people will endure pretty terrible suffering without a French Revolution uprising.

[–]Pirate_Princess_87 23 points24 points  (2 children)

No uprising as long as the popes still get their streaming services. Modern day circuses to stop the revolution.

[–]strictnaturereserve 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I don't know why your blaming the catholics for all this! /j

[–]Helen_A_Handbasket [score hidden]  (0 children)

The Catholic church is pretty fucking rich, dude. They could do a lot more to help people rather than hoarding their shit like a mythical dragon.

[–]roodammy44 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Depends on the place. Russia, China, Europe, South America and Africa all had huge revolutions when their populations got desperate enough. I’d say it’s more likely that there will be a revolution than there won’t.

Maybe modern USA will accept the conditions, but I don’t think modern France would.

[–]porgy_tirebiter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Americans are not the French. They have Freedom™ after all.

[–]vacuitee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I drove past a home on the main drag of a small town in the rural midwest yesterday. Most of the front of the home was either bare drywall, or plastic tarps. There were four cars outside. There are already plenty of people in the USA living in levels of poverty that most Americans can't really comprehend. That family at least had a house, I guess. So I imagine we will see a lot more of that.

Edit: Oh yeah there is a woman down the road from me that doesn't live with power. Given everyone out here is on well water, that means no water, either. Her house looks fine, so it makes me wonder how many people are living like this that most aren't aware of.

[–]frosteeze 10 points11 points  (0 children)

People point to the French as exemplars of protesting and rioting. But let’s be real. If a group of people has to riot and protest that frequently it doesn’t matter how intense it is. Because it meant…nothing changed, they’re still discontent and powerless. People are discontent about raising pension age as an example, it gets reverted back just a bit from to make them happy, then repeat to claim new grounds. From the original 62 years of age to proposed 65, then to the legislated 63.

The French elite’s propaganda is just different, that’s all.

[–]Oilfan94 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or….try to become the 0.0001%……because those fyckers have been apocalypse planning for decades.

[–]CactaurSnapper 17 points18 points  (1 child)

In the Russian example farmers were eventually considered rich. Which led to famine of course.

[–]King0fthewasteland 5 points6 points  (3 children)

It won't. If it was going to happend is would have a long time ago. People will just sit and take it

[–]bluecheetos 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Because people just want happiness and happiness is on a sliding scale. Poor people can find happiness in getting a coupon for a free pizza....Jeff Bezos finds happiness in owning the moon.

[–]Newbie4Hire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's because the threshold of tolerance has never been exceeded in a short enough time frame. They can take 10 feet if they take 1 inch at a time. But if they take 2 feet at once, people revolt. So long as they maintain bread and circuses they can do it this way. Obviously if they stop bread or circuses all bets are off.

[–]TheAmorphous 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look at how much the Russians are willing to put up with. Americans are proving to be every bit as docile.

[–]TheRexRider 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I have a feeling no one is going to miss Kevin O'Leary or Jeff Bezos.

[–]summonsays 14 points15 points  (1 child)

AI / robot automation and then they'll let everyone starve. And we'll see if people continue to peacefully accept death or not. 

I'm honestly shocked Luigi was such a one-off.

[–]Masterweedo 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Judging by the protests in 2020, and the ones more recently, I fully expect and protests to become mass casualty events where law enforcement or even the military massacres the protestors. The government and oligarchs appear to be preparing for it.

[–]OgreMk5 11 points12 points  (0 children)

What will happen has been the ultra-wealthy's plans all along. Re-institute debt slavery.

Everyone works for them all the time and all the money comes back to them all the time.

Amazon is almost a company store, since you can get almost anything you need from them. You aren't required to if you work there, but it's "so convenient"...

Musk has already propose company housing for his "Starbase". Sure, you pay rent to the company you work for. And what happens when you turn in your resignation letter? You're instantly homeless. They lock the door remotely, change the code, and you'll have to sue to get your stuff... which you can't afford. Musk will literally use the money you paid him to pay lawyers to keep you from getting your stuff.

Slavery... in all but name.

[–]ProfessionalReach418 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Holy larp in the comments.

Realistically people stop working/buying things until the top budges.

[–]TheMazoo 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yahtzee! Isn't that kind of the goal? Price people out to gain leverage over their habits they're forced to adopt when they're backed into a corner.

[–]Gordon_frumann 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Once catastrophic food shortages star happening, that's when the guillotines get pulled out.

[–]CasUalNtT 14 points15 points  (5 children)

They will have to form an anarcho-syndicalist commune.

[–]tauberculosis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government

[–]Rapidzigs 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Help help I'm being repressed

[–]jason4747 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What if each of us becomes a sort of "executive officer of the weak?"

For the week?

[–]fuzzybad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dennis! There's some lovely filth down here!

[–]thehappyonionpeel 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Ah that's why they are building their mega off shore bunkers

[–]distinctgore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All good, just fart into the air vent

[–]Psychological_Pen765 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Republicans will host UFC fights on top of the White house ballroom for the masses to forget their troubles

[–]DJBudGreen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You say you want a revolution? The billionaire class can't hire enough protection to prevent being dragged out into the streets once the lower class can't afford food.

That's why they'll always keep some type of junk food cheap and the nutritional quality low. If you have a full belly, it's less relevant what it's filled with as long as you aren't hungry.

And as long as our devices still do flashy things to keep us distracted from the hoovering of all the wealth to the very few, they will keep control over the lower class.

Make the food and distractions unaffordable and we'll snap like a twig.

[–]HaiKarate 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The crime rate goes up and whole sections of your city become unliveable for decent folks just trying to get by.

[–]Serentyr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Historically, rebellion, conflict, strife, destruction of property.

In an age of fledging AI, autonomous factories and personnel… the leverage that the masses had beyond simple numerical advantage is far weaker.

I think it’s harder to predict and rely on history, where the playing field was significantly more level and the power structures were functionally reliant on the cooperation (through whatever means acquired) of the work force.

[–]RosyRainbows 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Lot of wealthy people and politicians loose their heads. History has a way of repeating

[–]blooperonthestoop 13 points14 points  (1 child)

lose

[–]qrseek 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Their heads will also be loose

[–]Yzelski 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When demand is lower than supply, prices fall. Basic economics.

[–]Dale_Cooper_II 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Read Ready Player 1.

Thats where we're heading!

[–]SwissChzMcGeez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Watch the movie Elysium.

[–]Nearbyatom 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Crime goes up. When people get desperate, they have nothing to lose.

[–]tjlazer79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. I agree. You reach a point where so many people are desperate, they have nothing to lose, and they will get violent and revolt.

[–]Kiyohara 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In general across all of history, Humans tend to be fairly compliant and passive towards the heads of their society. We're a tribal species after all, and the majority have ingrained desires to help each other and work together.

However, in nearly every single situation where the populace gets hit by some event that makes it nearly difficult or impossible to get feed themselves, house themselves, or fight off a plague they have either taken the choice to move else where (become refugees) or over throw their leaders and start over (so rebellion).

But that bar for "nearly difficult" is pretty high and the choice between becoming a refugee and a rebel is really based on realistic it is to perform each action. In societies where movement is controlled or restricted, they tend to revolt. In societies where the ruling state has a perceived insurmountable power, they flee. And it basically has to get tot he point where the average person's other choice is "whelp, guess I'll just die then."

Right now food is there and there are some options for those most in need. We're not at the stage where the choices are between fighting, fleeing, or dying. We're at the stage where we tighten our belts, cut expenses, and still have hope someone is going to turn it around. We're hardly at the famine stage here. We're not even at the "hungry" stage nation wide. Food is plentiful, if expensive. And if people have to choose between food, medicine, housing, and luxuries, we can still drop the luxuries entirely and possibly still cut back on something else too.

And our leaders and wealthy know this (sort of). It's why they campaigned on food prices and the economy. Eventually they will be forced to take action and do something about it. But that time isn't now. It won't be until people are down to choosing between food and shelter (forget about medicine and luxuries).

There's a reason why the phrase "bread and circuses" was invented: give the people just enough to eat and enough entertainment to be distracted and they won't revolt. That's too risky to attempt when you still have options. And we right now have TV and cheap entertainment. Practically every single person carries a phone that can play the entire collection of Earth's Entertainment if you look for it.

But once we get to that final stage where we don't have options other than to fight or flee, well we'll see which direction most people take. Looking at the US past, we've had migrations numerous times and several wars and revolutions (even if some were short lived) and armed conflict is not a stranger to these lands.

[–]PM_me_ur_navel_girl [score hidden]  (0 children)

A business owner, a foreigner, and a blue-collar worker are sat round a table. In the middle is a plate with ten cookies.

The business owner takes nine cookies for himself, then says to the blue-collar worker "Watch out for that foreigner, he's got his eye on your last cookie!"

[–]WhiteSkyfire 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The return of the workhouse, some politicians are actively working on it

[–]And-Messy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If enough people decided to go for a walk at the same time to the same place, I feel like somehow a miracle would happen.

[–]agreetodisagree2023 8 points9 points  (14 children)

50% of the US has an income at or below $51,500. They are there already. We keep them balancing on the edge of despair and then they vote in the rich who steal the last few dollars from them to remove all their power. The system IS working.

(Edited for $)

[–]SarahQuinn113 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We eat the rich.

[–]Eyfordsucks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They start finding other ways to survive or they give up and die.

[–]OpeningExtension2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then there's nothing left to lose. Time for a Revolution.

[–]janrockzzzxx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Revolution

[–]karmais4suckers 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Some people might go crazy, and others might lose their heads

[–]questiontomorrow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Either revolution or oppression

[–]FrostySoul3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We will all die. Upper class, middle class, lower class. It no longer matters. It’s all of us vs 100 families with robot armies that don’t say no to sending us packing in a metaphorical sense.

[–]YourLocalOnionNinja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Death

[–]Odd-Adhesiveness-656 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Soylent Green is PEOPLE"

[–]phixitup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anarchy, and it’s getting closer by the day.

[–]ShittalkyCaps [score hidden]  (1 child)

I don't see that happening. The powers that be will allow people to barely keep their head above water and sell them hope for a better future. Reason is, when people have nothing to lose, things would get real for real.

[–]Great-Ad-4270[🍰] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

They stop being lazy enough to revolt hopefully 

[–]thepeanutone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What does a revolt (revolution? revolting?) look like? People keep saying that like I would know where to put the barricades, what I'm barricading, and what my end goal is.

This country runs on where the money goes. Short of staging a robbery of billionaires - how do we interrupt the flow of money?

The quiet Revolution is maybe just not buying into all the corporate shit and making the world a better place, all at the same time. What if the whole country just stopped buying fragrance products? Like, no more Downy Unstoppables, no more car clip air fresheners, no more perfume or body spray. What would happen? Shit, we stopped paying for Disney for what? a week? and look what happened.

What if we all stopped paying for streaming services and, I don't know, watched movies from the library for entertainment instead? Or we could get REALLY crazy and read books instead?

What if we all decided "This is where pain point number 1 hits?" And when you're still hurting, activate pain point #2.

We are so spread out in America that the traditional picture of revolution is hard to recreate. We aren't really interested in going hungry or homeless, especially when it feels like we would be the only ones not going to work, so the general strike idea is a tough one to implement effectively.

Corporations are widespread and easy for everyone to access/deny.

I can't tell if I've had too much coffee or if this is actually a good idea...

[–]intheshade6 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What are you doing about it? Or are you saying it’s not your problem?

[–]Nope_______ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He's waiting for someone else to do it. Too lazy lmao

[–]trustmeep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have they tried saying think you?

[–]AmbitiousReaction168 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Riots and mass repression, followed by fascism.

[–]SecretTreeHouse42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had this thought while grocery shopping the other day. So many items that I used to get, now skipped, because the prices are an insult.

[–]Coravel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You see the slums in ready player one?

[–]RobsOffDaGrid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When it comes to profit when sales go down to a point where a product isn’t selling the product either ceases to be or the price has to come down. It’s because people keep buying a product as the price increases and keep buying it.

[–]Chance-Ad7783 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If history is any guide, if the situation does not change, radicalism and violence. I wish to avoid this because when you have a revolution, it is often the greatest sociopath who comes out on top. But that is just a nonprofessional view.

[–]haythem007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If that happen, you would likely see major pushback protests, policy changes and pressure for things like higher wages or rent controls. Historically, when inequality gets too extreme, societies either adjust or they end up in serious instability, so it usually forces some kind of correction before it reaches a total breaking point.

[–]LaFilleDuMoulinier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We will party like it’s 1789.

[–]Netmantis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one has thought that far.

The upper classes continue their short-sighted "line went up for past week, line go up forever" planning, not understanding that the often large short term gains tend to be balanced out with losses soon afterwards when the consequences of the actions come around. So making the lower classes unable to afford what you sell never enters their mind until sales drop and they are scrambling to figure out why no one wants what they offer.

[–]MoroseBizarro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Poverty breeds crime. The plebs will battle each other for survival while the bourgeoisie hides behind their walls hoping the violence stays away. Militarizing the police will help for a time but eventually the people will win. Same as it's ever been.

[–]FrankCastillo95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Demand will collapse and prices will correspondingly drop or low performing locations will shutter. Nowadays with so many expenses being on things other than necessities in the developed world, most folks have little idea just how far away anything serious really is. They simply won't care about much that happens.

[–]Original_Remote_6838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Realistically? The wealthy will benefit from the situation as the poor get poorer. People will lose their homes and those with enough money will scoop them up. Nothing changed in 2008 and it won’t change now.

[–]Reasonable-Guess-451 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s my question. If they take all our money after they’ve pissed off the other countries, who’s going to buy their crap?

[–]AddictedtoBoom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Historically revolution and massive social upheaval lasting multiple generations.

[–]rocktropolis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Best case, French style revolution. More likely scenario, East German / Soviet Russia style authoritarianism, breadlines, society.

[–]0rganicMach1ne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The less than 1% responsible for it will still blame everyone else but themselves and sadly some poor idiots will still believe and worship them.

[–]Tabbygail 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Once you hit a critical mass of maybe ~15% of people that literally can't afford to live, can't buy food or water, there will be a revolt of some kind. Whether it's successful, or just makes things worse, who can say.

Until then we'll get by. We'll buy bikes because cars are too expensive, live 4 to a room, eat rice and beans for every meal. We'll learn to live with injury and sickness because the doctor is too expensive. We'll snag pigeons from their nests for thanksgiving dinner. 

[–]CaptainPrower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The billionaires are planning on going full Elysium by then.

[–]DerpDerpingtonIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unrest...conflict....violence...the cull.

[–]Tanerian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Crime ---> propaganda to make the remaining middle class view the lower class as the enemy.

[–]iamstephen1128 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The Bell Riots

[–]painstream [score hidden]  (1 child)

Increased homelessness, getting criminalized for that homelessness, then thrown in prisons, which are privatized and run as a business, selling labor.

[–]MatCauthonsHat [score hidden]  (0 children)

Soylent green?

[–]DividedStatesofFeces [score hidden]  (0 children)

Revolution...

[–]Lighthouse_on_Mars [score hidden]  (0 children)

Normally, a revolution.

However, the world has never been this technologicaly advanced before. And the military and police have weapons and options that FAR outstripes anything the masses have.

So while we have the numbers, it would still be fairly easy to keep us in line. Especially as we have been effectively trained to not fight back...

Look at the route and Protest France has, what's currently going on in Albania. The US has nothing similar because we are all too busy working to stay alive, and hoping others will put themselves at risk.

[–]razorwiregoatlick877 [score hidden]  (0 children)

In the past that is when people brought out the guillotine.

[–]Extreme_Health_9827 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I live on 2 hot dogs and 2 cups of coffee a day thanks for asking.

[–]Creative_Squirrel [score hidden]  (0 children)

Workhouses 2.0

[–]jokemon [score hidden]  (0 children)

they dont really care, we live in a global society, they can simply go to their home in france and take advantage of their economy.

[–]kdebones [score hidden]  (0 children)

Realistically, right proper anarchy.

[–]Dubious_Titan [score hidden]  (0 children)

The rich will make the poor fight the poorer for the privilege of licking their boots. And it will 100% work.

[–]KittensAndGravy [score hidden]  (0 children)

Sadly it seems the sparrows are ok with picking through the well fed horses shit covered oats.

[–]Prestigious_Safe3565 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You spelled “middle“ wrong 😑